Is it worth it to invest in education when you aren’t a newbie anymore? After you’ve been in business for over a decade? In today’s episode, I’m discussing the value of education for long-time business owners with my friend and fellow photographer Natasha Sewell. We’re sharing our perspectives on which education experiences to invest in and the value you can still gain when you are no longer a newbie.
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Get to know Natasha Sewell (2:12)
Natasha’s trajectory in her photography business (7:14)
Why education still matters when you aren’t a newbie (11:35)
Deciding which education opportunities to invest in (13:43)
What makes education a successful investment for long-time business owners (18:46)
Education to pursue when you’re in a plateau (22:38)
Root to Rise Mastermind & Retreat (24:37)
Rapid-fire questions (26:13)
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Sabrina Gebhardt
Today’s episode of the shoot straight podcast is a really fun chat with my friend Natasha seul. She and I have both been photographers for well over the industry standard. And we are talking specifically today about what education looks like to someone that’s been in business for a really long time, when you’re first starting out anything that you pay for, or commit time to whether it be a course, or a conference, or workshop, or coaching or anything like that. It’s all super valuable because well, I mean, you don’t know what you don’t know. But the longer you’ve been in business, things start to look different. So we’re chatting about this on the podcast today. And it’s a really interesting conversation about why education is still so valuable 10 plus years into business. So if you’ve been in business for a long time, and you’ve haven’t invested in yourself in a while, maybe you felt like it’s frivolous, because your work is great, and your business is great. And your profits are great. So why invest in something that maybe you’re bored, or maybe you need to be inspired? Or maybe you’re missing community. If this sounds like you, this is a really great episode and even if you have not been in business for all that long, the perspective that comes from being in business for a really long time and the lessons learned I think this will be really valuable to you too. So let’s get started. Welcome to the shoot it straight podcast. I’m your host, Sabrina Gephardt here I will share an honest take on what it’s like to be a female creative entrepreneur. while balancing business motherhood and life myself along with my guests will get vulnerable through honest conversations and relatable stories because we’re willing to go there. If you’re trying to find balance in this exciting place you’re in yet willing to talk about the hard stuff to to shoot it straight podcast is here to share practical and tangible takeaways to help you shoot it straight. Okay, welcome back to a another episode of the shoot straight podcast today is going to be a fun chat because we are chatting with a dear friend of mine, and we actually got connected through education. So we’re gonna have a chat and I’m gonna I’m going to explain where we’re going. But today we’ve gotten to Tasha stool of NPS photography. She is in Washington, DC. She is an insanely talented photographer. She has been in business longer than me, I think, right? Okay, so almost almost you hit the 10 year mark. Yeah, you hit the 10 year mark this year. And I mean, your work absolutely shows that I mean, your what she captures is just crazy. Crazy. Beautiful. So anyways, I want to let you introduce yourself first and then we’re going to dive into TJ today’s chat. Great.
Natasha Sewell
I am Natasha Price School of NPS photography, real original name, just my initials. I am based in Washington, DC. I haven’t been been in business for exactly 10 years. I specialize in newborn and family lifestyle sessions. But I didn’t always do that. And I am the mom to three big humans. And I am married and I have a shitzu who I adore Georgie is my sidekick.
Sabrina Gebhardt
Yeah, and Georgie is a handsome little model too. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Natasha is a little bit of an extra dog mom, because she makes his birthday cake every year, which I am like, okay, that’s the cutest thing in the whole wide world. And then because she’s such a great photographer, she like does a little photo shoot with him with his birthday cake. And it’s literally the cutest thing. And it’s one of my favorite things to see pop up every year. So
Natasha Sewell
it is my most repin pin on Pinterest. Isn’t that funny? Like 10,000 pins a month off of that first birthday, Dorothy? I’m like, I don’t even do pet photography. But it’s all over Pinterest.
Sabrina Gebhardt
Oh my gosh, that is wild. Isn’t it wild to see like what people pick up on? Okay. So like I kind of alluded to, just so that the audience knows Natasha and I go way back. I first met Natasha through the Instagram. And she actually reached out to hire me to have an in person mentoring session, which is the only kind of education that I used to offer. How many years ago is that? Five years, it was six
Natasha Sewell
years. Four years, it was only porn for four and a half.
Sabrina Gebhardt
Okay, we’ve just done a lot of life together in that time. So it feels like longer than that. So she actually flew to Texas, and we did a session together. But at the time, she was still doing mostly studio newborns. So the posed and in person sales and a very high touch experience. And she was ready to pivot into in homework, which is where I came in. And so that’s how we got connected. And it’s been really cool because through the years, we’ve worked together a bunch and we’ve just gotten to be good friends through the process. You know, it’s been so fun to really not only know your business, but also your family and your personal life and what you’re into. And we’ve traveled together. And it’s just been, it’s just been such a joy. And this is such a good example of how real friendships can come out of industry friendships, you know?
Natasha Sewell
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think I told you, I followed you on Instagram forever. Like, your kids were teeny, tiny. When I first started, probably even I don’t even know how I found you. But when I decided to pivot from post newborn, to lifestyle and home, I knew you were the person to contact.
Sabrina Gebhardt
Yeah, it’s tough. But you know what, that’s also a little plug for why it’s important to like, be personal and relatable out in the world, like on social media, and in your emails and all that kind of thing? Because people connect with you, right? I mean, how many other options? Did you have a zillion if you wanted to learn from a lifestyle photographer, but like you felt connected to me, you know,
Natasha Sewell
and the reason I felt connected to you, too, was because every time I had a question, and I would shoot you a DM, you would always answer. Always, you would always answer me. And so I was like, Okay, well, this is clearly the person. Yeah, I need to help me do this.
Sabrina Gebhardt
Yeah. Oh, I love that. I love that. So what we’re going to talk about today is continuing to educate yourself, when you’ve been in business for a really long time. Because in the beginning of business, education, there’s so many options. And I feel like no matter how much you invest, or what you sign up for, there’s always these huge lightbulb moments, right? Like you always, totally are like, Oh my gosh, that was life changing. Oh my gosh, that was life changing, you know, and everything is growing by leaps and bounds. But the further you get into business, it’s like you still want to keep learning. But it’s not these huge life changing experiences anymore, you know. And so it looks interesting, like that continuing education piece looks really different when you are 710 years in business, as opposed to when you’re in your first one or two. So, before we really get into this chat, I would love to know share how you got into photography, and kind of what your trajectory has been to this point.
Natasha Sewell
So back in 2010, my husband deployed to Afghanistan, and my kids were all in school full time, and I was volunteering a ton. A little background, I am a teacher. That’s what I did before I had children. And I did not want to go back to teaching. And volunteering was awesome. But I wanted something more. So I took some online photography classes. And then my friends would ask me take pictures, you know, like the typical story. Friends would ask you to take pictures, you do it. And then finally I was like, Okay, I think I can make a business of this. I have no business background. I had zero idea what I was getting into. But I just started charging people. Yeah. And it, you know, grew from there. I did start early on with pose newborns. I had a random person inquire, do you do this? And I said, Sure I do. And then I like binge all the YouTube videos, and started doing pose newborn photography’s in the front room of my house. And then I eventually moved into a studio space I have done in, I did it in person sales for a long time. And it was a big part of my business. And I think it sort of set me apart in the area that I was in, because I was really the only person offering that. But in 2019, my husband took a job in the DC area. And I knew I was going to need to move and DC is really expensive. A little different than rural North Carolina. So I knew I could not afford a studio space. And to be honest, I was a little tired of doing post newborns. It was a little too comfortable. For me. It was like the same thing every session, and I was just tired of it. So that’s when I turned to you. And you helped me transition my business and figure out what that path look like. And I really dove in headfirst and have been doing lifestyle sessions since then. I didn’t make the full move to DC until last May. I was running my business in two locations, which I really don’t recommend. It’s a little stressful. So but I you know, but I have been doing only lifestyle since late 2019.
Sabrina Gebhardt
Yeah, yeah. And I think that that path is so similar to a lot of people, you know, you’re like, Oh, I’m gonna start taking photos. I’m going to do all the Googling and the YouTubing and teach myself everything possible. And then you start to practice on people. Little and then at some point, you’re like, oh, I need to bring in some professional help. I really need some sort of guidance. So do you remember what the first type of quote unquote education that you paid for was when you were starting out?
Natasha Sewell
I do. So it was either Anna Brandt or Kelly Brown. And I can’t remember which one was first. But I paid for, like a video of how to pose a newborn, how to wrap a newborn. And I mean, I study that thing. Like there was no tomorrow. Because most newborns, take a little, little scalp. So not that other stuff doesn’t. But you know, so I, that was definitely my first paid education.
Sabrina Gebhardt
Yeah. And how did you feel afterwards? Like, I know, probably, I’m assuming that when you decided to take the step from Google and YouTube to like, actually pay for something, there’s a little bit of a hesitation there because you’re like, okay, but did you feel like it was totally worth it? Were you like, oh, my gosh, now I see the value in this, like, do you remember kind of how you felt afterwards?
Natasha Sewell
I do. So I totally saw the value in it. I got so much out of it. And then I think I went on to purchase like three more courses, like immediately. Yeah, because the value in it was huge. And what I was learning was huge, you know, back in, like, 2013, there wasn’t a lot of education out there. Right. And there weren’t a lot of in person education out there. So really, these videos were like your lifeline. Totally education.
Sabrina Gebhardt
Yeah, definitely. So like we said, at this point, you have been in business for 10 years, which is so exciting. And you sing the praises of education all the time, you’re like me, we’re Team education, let’s keep learning and stuff. But I want you to tell me like why, you know, because the listening audience may be like, Okay, you get to a certain point. And then like, you literally know, most of the things like why are you still investing in coaches and workshops and experiences and specifically for you, you’re still investing in high dollar experiences, like, it’s not just the one off videos and stuff anymore. It is the really big investments of time and money, and you still do it to this day. So why do you
Natasha Sewell
think it’s so important? There are a couple of reasons. Number one community, I meet amazing photographers from all over by doing this. Number two is to push myself out of my comfort zone. It’s really easy in any profession, I think, just to get comfortable in what you do. And I think in order to push yourself out of that comfort zone, you have got to do education, it’s kind of the only way to do it. So I try to choose educational experiences where the photographer specially I’ve done a number of retreats and one on one mentoring, where they do something different than what I do. And it doesn’t mean that I want to learn this because I want to copy though. That’s not it. It’s sort of taking the information that you learn, and then incorporating it into your business. But I really continue to do it to push myself.
Sabrina Gebhardt
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree with that. I think there’s always new ways to do things and new ways to see things and different technology or different ways to like push yourself creatively. I mean, now we’ve seen in the last 10 years, a really big surge of people bringing back film photography, just for the sake of the challenge, right. And all of us digital shooters have been testing it out, like because we’re like, Well, why not? You know, it’s it’s creative in a different way. And it’s unique in a different way. But you have to learn how to do it, you know? Yeah. So when you are with this level of experience that you have in your business and your work, how are you deciding what you want in an education experience, like what causes you to pull the trigger on an investment?
Natasha Sewell
So I went someone I thought, you know, it has a lot to do with social media, honestly, you follow tons of photographers on social media, and there are certain photographers that you’re just drawn to their work, their work is either super creative, or what they’re doing is just so different than what you’ve seen. And so when those people offer education, I usually jump on it just because I’m like, I could learn something from this experience from this person. And I think it really pushes me creatively. I don’t think I’m inherently inherently that’s not the right word. But you know what I mean, as a creative person, like I have to work at being creative. Yeah. And so pushing myself outside of that comfort zone, again, is just so important to me. So yeah, so I really look for opportunities where I know I’m gonna get something creatively out of it. Yeah, yeah. It’s not about the technical stuff. But this point, like that’s not necessarily what it is, right? It’s really more of the creative Have that feed your soul? Yeah,
Sabrina Gebhardt
yeah, yeah, I agree with you. I am not. I don’t think I’m like, naturally super creative. I don’t have the most creative images you’ll see out there. But that’s always what I want to learn to I’m like, I want to learn how she did that, or why or what was her thought process behind the behind the choices she made there, you know. And I think that that’s something that almost I could almost see people thinking is frivolous, right? Because it’s not technical. And it’s not a business change in it is kind of frivolous. But we do something creative for a living, and it’s 100%, okay to say, You know what, I’m gonna go on this retreat weekend or this workshop weekend with this person to learn something new creatively, I may or may not implement it into my business, but it feeds me as a creative person. Does that make sense?
Natasha Sewell
Absolutely. That’s how I feel. I mean, I think that you really have to push yourself, if you are not naturally creative, to find those situations where you can, you can explore that part of you. Because, again, the technical stuff, you got that down at this point, that’s, that’s not what this is about. So it’s the creative stuff, it’s, I get so much out of watching someone else shoot, I don’t even need to necessarily be shooting next to them. That’s not it. It’s just watching what they do, how they direct people, the angles they use, you know, when they take a pause, and when they really like, go and like all of that is just so fascinating to me, and I get so much out of
Sabrina Gebhardt
it. Yeah, definitely. And I know for me in the workshop setting where it’s not just you and the teacher, when it’s a couple of other photographers there, I also get really inspired by watching the other attendees. I know it’s literally like, it’s just a group of creative people feeding off of that energy. And I will oftentimes learn just as much from seeing a peer, take a shot or do something, as I will the instructor, which is, which is such an interesting dynamic that
Natasha Sewell
is so true. And that goes back to the whole community thing. And then seeing all their images after the workshop is so amazing, too, because you’re like, wow, like, that’s what they everyone’s is so different. Right? You know, it’s not cookie cutter. So yeah, that’s what I love about it.
Sabrina Gebhardt
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Natasha Sewell
So I think it looks different. Now. You know, in the beginning, everything is like a major aha moment, you’re like, This is amazing. I’m going to change my whole business structure, you know, all right, that you have all these like huge dreams. And it is just a lot smaller. Now, I always take something away from it, even if it’s something like I’m going to do this personal project, or I’m going to change this one tiny way I do something or I’m gonna take three shots at the end of every session. But this is intentionally what I want it to be. But there are little tiny things. It’s not reinventing your business at this point. Yeah. I just think the what I get out of each of these educational experience has changed for sure. But there’s still so much value in it.
Sabrina Gebhardt
Yeah, yeah. I think that’s a matter of almost setting your expectations going into it knowing that you’re having this experience and you’re not is going to have this huge life altering growth from it. But if you can take away one or two great nuggets that have you excited when you go home that that is quote unquote, a successful investment.
Natasha Sewell
Absolutely. And that even goes with conferences, because I’ve done a couple this year. Yeah. Is it again, every single speaker I hear, it’s not an aha moment. But if I can get one tidbit out of that, it’s a success. I mean, I’ve really gotten something out of the education. And some of it also is reinforcing what you already know. Yeah. And just being like, okay, yep, I forgot that. But I need to, like, Hone back in on that and really pay attention to it. So I think it’s kind of twofold.
Sabrina Gebhardt
Yeah. And I will add to that one step further, when there’s a like a group coaching component that’s longer than just the retreat, like if it’s a mastermind, or something, the accountability to do the things that you know, you need to be doing, but maybe haven’t, right? Like that accountability piece is also huge, because you could go through the motions, and actually check off all these things that you’ve been, quote, unquote, meaning to do or know you should have done, but you’ve never had time. But now you have this group accountability behind you. And so maybe at on the surface, you didn’t learn anything new, but you actually worked through stuff and made progress, which is also huge. It is huge.
Natasha Sewell
It’s totally huge. And that goes back to the community aspect of it. And that’s what’s so great about a mastermind is you build that community, and it’s a safe community. Yeah. So it’s just it’s a it’s a special
Sabrina Gebhardt
thing. Yeah. And you mentioning it being like a safe space. That is, I think that’s something that people don’t put enough stock in, right, like they think every every space is safe. But actually, that’s not true, you know, to have a space where you really get to know the other people in the group. And everybody knows where everybody else is coming from. And it really is this like friendship, accountability, supportive, truly safe space to ask the quote, unquote, dumb questions, or share the struggles that maybe you’re ashamed to share with anybody else. It’s this really safe, nurturing space that just support you through whatever your growth is, you know? Absolutely. And I also think it’s a safe space to share your wins. Yeah. Because we none of us really want to like brag, right? I
Natasha Sewell
mean, that’s just not something that I want to do. Yeah, I’m really and so it’s a safe space to share all of those the lows, the highs, everything, and just have a supportive community.
Sabrina Gebhardt
Yeah, definitely. I love that. You have been in business for a long time. I’ve been in business for a long time. Let’s say you meet someone that has also been in business for a while, and they’re just feeling that like, plateau. You know, they’re just kind of phoning everything in, they’re feeling kind of mad about what they’re doing. Maybe they’re bored. They know all the basics. They know all the technicals they know what to do, what would you encourage them to look for, or pursue in education that could potentially pull them out of it?
Natasha Sewell
So my biggest advice is those people that you love their work on social media, even if they don’t mentor, even if that’s not something they offer, get in their DMS and ask them, Hey, would you be interested in being my mentor, and just find someone that’s work, you’re like, it just inspires you. And even if you just do a 30 minute zoom with someone, and just pick their brain whose work inspires you, you’re gonna get something out of it. And I will tell you, I have done that many times. Just people who don’t necessarily advertise education, or not the type of education I’m looking for. And I have never had one person say, No, I won’t do that. Yeah, who’s gonna say no to that? Yeah. So I think that that’s how to push yourself out of that plateau is to look for work that inspires you and reach out to those artists and those photographers that will again, feed your soul and just get you on fire a little more about your own work.
Sabrina Gebhardt
Yeah. I love that. That is such a good story. And that’s totally how I got into mentoring. Like, I wasn’t going to do it until I got enough people pinging in my DMs asking and I was like, Okay, maybe I’ll do this. And that’s also what you’re doing, which I love and it’s such a full circle moment to see you finally step into mentoring other photographers, which I know you have been super qualified to do for a long time and now you finally are doing that which I’m so excited. And the other thing that’s exciting is that you are my guest teacher at my Fall Retreat this fall for roots right at about I can’t wait. I literally I think I pretty much forced your hand on that. I was like, Hey, this is what I’m thinking. Are you up for it? And you were like, Okay,
Natasha Sewell
well, it also helps that you’re Coming to my location. So there’s like, it makes it super easy. But yes, of course, I’m so honored and just so excited to be a part of it. And honestly, I’m excited to go through the mastermind portion of route to rise again, because I’m excited for that community, and just those little reminders of things. And yeah, I’m very, very excited.
Sabrina Gebhardt
Yeah, I am honored to have you be a teacher. And I’m also honored that you want to go through it again. And this will be the third run of the program. And there’s actually going to be several alumni in the program, which is kind of like a pinch me moment that people think that it’s good enough to want to do again, I mean, I just I literally makes my jaw drop that, that it’s that valuable and that good experience. And I just I’m really excited about it.
Natasha Sewell
But his it’s such a great experience. And it’s a great experience, because it’s not only do you get to shoot and get to spend time with people at the retreat portion, but it’s a lot about yourself, like you’ve learned a lot about yourself in the mastermind. It’s a it’s a lot of you as a person and growing as an entrepreneur and all of that and that I think is
Sabrina Gebhardt
priceless. Yeah, it’s awesome. I can’t wait. So I am going to give you four fun little rapid fire questions that I end every episode interview with. First of all, what is your current favorite coffee shop? Go to order.
Natasha Sewell
So I have my Starbucks right here. So I know me too to cheers. Cheers. So um, it is a traditional Cafe Mysto with oat milk, blonde espresso, one pump of sugar free vanilla and cinnamon powder on top. This is what I’ve been getting. And I it’s just in my app. I couldn’t order it if I walked up to a counter, but I can order it through the app.
Sabrina Gebhardt
Right because you just hit order again. Yeah, it’s so easy. Yeah, so that’s very similar to what I drink when it’s cold weather. I don’t have the cinnamon but I do the blonde espresso, almond milk instead of Oh, sugar free vanilla. So it’s very similar. But you got me started on the shakin what is that?
Natasha Sewell
I don’t it’s like an oat milk shaken some brown sugar or something. It was something it was at the Root to rise retreat. Yeah. And I had it for the first time and I can’t remember Yes, Mallory or Amy or someone was like, yes, you will have to try this. And uh, yeah, yeah, in cold weather. Then
Sabrina Gebhardt
you got me? Yeah. So they got you and then you got me. And I totally love it. It’s but I will say I drink it too fast. Yes. Because of the ice. When it’s hot outside. I’m like, suck it down. And then I’m like a little bit shaky.
Natasha Sewell
Well, and I definitely decrease the number of pumps of everything because it’s a fair amount of sugar. Yeah, I’m like the lowest pump like one of each. Yeah. Because I’m like, I don’t need that sugar rush. Plus, totally,
Sabrina Gebhardt
totally, totally. Okay, what is your dream vacation?
Natasha Sewell
Oh, that’s so hard. Because I love traveling so much. I think it would be to go to the Greek Isles. I have been once before to Greece, we did a Mediterranean cruise. And we lived in Germany with our kids, but we spent like four hours at a several islands because it was a cruise, you know, so they like let you get off and then you have to get back on and right. So I would like to go spend a week on an island in Greece and just chill and relax and eat the food and enjoy the scenery.
Sabrina Gebhardt
Oh, yeah. Sign me up for that. That sounds lovely. And I also just want to see Greece I’ve never been but it just looks so picturesque. You know?
Natasha Sewell
It especially the the Greek islands, I mean, Athens, like any say, yeah, 30 has issues, although amazing, historical things to say.
Sabrina Gebhardt
Sure, sure. Okay, I want you to think back over the course of your business. What was a decision, or an investment that you made? That was the biggest game changer thus far?
Natasha Sewell
So I think the biggest game changer was in 2021. I did two masterminds and two retreats like together like they overlapped. Yeah. A lot of people were like, Why are you doing that? Like that was crazy. But I will tell you, it was amazing. It was really they were they were both a big investment. And they were worth every penny. I would do it again.
Sabrina Gebhardt
Yeah, so yeah, you definitely.
Natasha Sewell
I did I went well. Yeah. And even though I was that far along in my business, it’s still it just like invigorated me. Like I just felt a passion I hadn’t felt in a long time in my business. So that was and also it pushed me creatively. So yeah,
Sabrina Gebhardt
I love that. I think also the timing of that for you like coming off of the COVID pandemic and all of that and really allowing yourself to like pour back into your business and your passion. I think the timing was just also kind of a perfect storm as well. So I agree totally that I’m okay if you were not a photographer and now also in mentoring. What would you be doing? Oh,
Natasha Sewell
I’ve noticed Just in going back to like classroom teaching, that’s what I did in my former life first grade, I think I would be doing something with interior design. I don’t know what that looks like. But I do love interior design and fabrics and textures and all those things. So I feel like I’d be doing something. Yeah.
Sabrina Gebhardt
Yeah. I love that. I could totally see you doing that, too. Like you have such a good eye for things. So that is not a surprising answer to me at all. Okay, this has been a really fun chat short and sweet. But I think it really hits we hit on home, right? Like we landed where we needed to education is so important, whether you are a beginner, or you’ve been in business for a long time. And it just looks different. And setting your expectations appropriately is what will make it feel like a quote unquote, success. Even at even though I am an educator and I have a mastermind and a membership, and I do mentoring and all of that I still pay people to educate me every year. And it does look different. And the expectations are different. But just like Natasha said, I, I still need that creativity as well. I still need something to spark me. And I also need somebody else to pour into me, you know, and I will say my husband does think that that is a frivolous decision. He’s like, but you don’t need that. That’s extra. And I’m like, but I do. And I have no problem pushing back and proceeding with hiring somebody and doing it for myself. But it’s totally necessary. And as to people who have been in business way longer than industry average. I think this is the reason why because we continue to invest, we continue to stay inspired, we continue to move forward and and want to see growth. And like we neither of us have any plans in stopping, you know,
Natasha Sewell
right now, that’s totally true. I think investing there. It’s priceless to invest in education. It really is. And whether you do something small or something big or whatever, it just, it comes back to you. I mean, you know, it helps your business in so many different ways.
Sabrina Gebhardt
Yeah, yeah, definitely. So let everybody know where they can find you online.
Natasha Sewell
So probably Instagram is your best bet. As Sabrina knows, I’m rarely on Facebook. So I it’s NPS photography on Instagram. My website is nps photography.com.
Sabrina Gebhardt
Awesome. We will make sure to put that in the show notes. Thank you so much for being here and for chatting. This has been a really great discussion. I knew it would be and I have loved having you on the podcast, my friend.
Natasha Sewell
Oh, thank you so much. What an honor.
Sabrina Gebhardt
Thanks so much for listening to the shoot it straight podcast. You can find all the full show notes and details from today’s episode at Sabrina gebhardt.com backslash podcast. Come find me and connect over on the gram at Sabrina Gebhart photography. If you’re loving the podcast, I’d be honored if you hit that subscribe button and leave me a review. Until next time, my friends shoot it straight.
